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, Entertainment Weekly; Superman's James Gunn unpacks the 'Superwoke' discourse, Ultraman reveal, and Justice League plans
"This leads me to another point...I found myself laughing a lot about the Fox News and the ultra-right coming out to label Superman as "Superwoke." It was not lost on me that scene where Lois is interviewing Superman. The phrase "Superwoke" sounds exactly like the in-world critics of Superman. I was curious what you made of that.
I've heard people say it was woke, and then I've heard a lot of people say it's not. I am curious as to what in the movie is considered woke. I think people took something I said...The guy for the London newspaper [Jonathan Dean of The Times]. Originally, he said that [Superman comic creators] Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster were the sons of immigrants, and they wrote Superman as an immigrant story. And I said, yeah, it's a story about an immigrant, but mostly it's a story to me about kindness, which it is. That's the center of the movie for me.
That's the thing we can all act upon, is kindness. And so what does that lead to? Well, does that lead to the way you vote? Sure. Does that lead to everything? Yeah. Does it lead to how many people are dying from road rage? Yes. All those things are affected if people just start to value kindness. I mean, people did value kindness in the past. That was an American value, was kindness, and it doesn't necessarily seem to be that way to me anymore. So that was always the center of the movie for me, and it wasn't about anything other than that."
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